{"id":1184,"date":"2019-10-04T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2019-10-04T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ecodef-ihedn.fr\/compte-rendu-de-la-conference-organisee-par-la-chaire-economie-de-defense-recherche-innovation-et-defense-le-20-mars-2019-a-lassemblee-nationale\/"},"modified":"2020-04-23T13:45:25","modified_gmt":"2020-04-23T13:45:25","slug":"compte-rendu-de-la-conference-organisee-par-la-chaire-economie-de-defense-recherche-innovation-et-defense-le-20-mars-2019-a-lassemblee-nationale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ecodef-ihedn.fr\/en\/compte-rendu-de-la-conference-organisee-par-la-chaire-economie-de-defense-recherche-innovation-et-defense-le-20-mars-2019-a-lassemblee-nationale\/","title":{"rendered":"Minutes of the conference organised by the Defence Economics Chair: \u00abResearch, innovation and defence\u00bb on 20 March 2019 at the National Assembly"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 style=\"text-align: center\"><b>Report on the conference organised by the Chair in Defence Economics : <\/b><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center\"><b>\u00abRESEARCH, INNOVATION AND DEFENCE\u00bb <\/b><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center\"><b>20 March 2019 at the National Assembly<\/b><\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/ecodef-ihedn.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/2019_sga023_r_1-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-7323\" src=\"https:\/\/ecodef-ihedn.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/2019_sga023_r_1-1-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">After a welcome from <\/span><b>Didier Baich\u00e8re<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> (Member of Parliament for Yvelines, member of the National Defence and Armed Forces Committee) and\u2019<\/span><b>Olivier Martin<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> (Chairman of the Steering Committee of the Chair in Defence Economics), <\/span><b>Emmanuel Chiva<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> introduced the conference. After highlighting the evolution of the players in the defence innovation environment, Emmanuel Chiva recalls the <\/span><b>the need for innovation<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and the <\/span><b>the centrality of innovation<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> in French defence policy. It also describes the background to the creation of the Defence Innovation Agency (AID) and the need to <\/span><b>creating an ecosystem conducive to the emergence of defence innovation<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> ranging from start-ups to SMEs and large companies, from research laboratories to manufacturers, from the civilian to the military. Emmanuel Chiva concluded his speech by emphasising that innovation is a risky process and that we need to change the culture of risk management.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><\/h3>\n<h2><strong>ROUND TABLE 1: HOW CAN INNOVATION BE DEVELOPED EFFECTIVELY?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<h6 style=\"text-align: justify\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The first round table, on the theme of \u00abHow to ensure the effective emergence of innovation\u00bb, will be chaired by Jean Belin, holder of the Chair in Defence Economics, with the participation of IGA Fran\u00e7ois Mestre (Direction G\u00e9n\u00e9rale de l'Armement), St\u00e9phane Cueille (Safran &amp; CIDEF), Fran\u00e7ois Chopard (Starburst) and Emmanuel Sabonnadi\u00e8re (Commissariat \u00e0 l'Energie Atomique).<\/span><\/i><\/h6>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Jean Belin<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> highlights the changes in the innovation system since the 1980s. From the 1950s to the 1980s, the state and defence largely controlled the innovation system (share of funding, lighter industrial structure, simple innovation processes). Since the 1980s, the transition to a knowledge-based economy has led to a transformation in the players and processes involved in funding research, with more \u00abcivilian\u00bb R&amp;D and a greater prevalence of business. This round table highlights the changes in the innovation system and the adaptation of the defence sector: opening up to the civilian sector, new methods of cooperation and coordination, and new funding practices.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Fran\u00e7ois Mestre IGA<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> explains how DGA sees innovation in the DTIB. The defence industry is first and foremost a <\/span><b>military capability<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. The DTIB is then a <\/span><b>complete ecosystem<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to meet the needs expressed by the Armed Forces. It is made up of public bodies, laboratories and companies, with some major prime contractors and a vast network of subcontractors. This organisation is not the result of chance, but rather the result of a long-standing strategy. <\/span><b>ongoing investment policy<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Fran\u00e7ois Mestre presents DGA's vision of innovation. He reminds us that the DGA is mainly made up of engineers and technicians. Innovation must enable <\/span><b>the technological advantage<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> which is an operational differentiator, but also in international competition. DGA also sees innovation in the DTIB as an economic challenge. As the size of the domestic market is not sufficient to maintain a complete DTIB, access to other markets is essential to maintain our industrial base over the long term. Prescribed innovation remains essential in sectors where the size of the accessible market does not allow the associated investments to be amortised.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>St\u00e9phane Cueille<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> explains how major defence contractors organise themselves to bring innovation to the fore and make it more effective. Overall, the major prime contractors are organised around 4 pillars. The first pillar is the <\/span><b>knowledge of the value created<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> for the user. The second pillar consists of <\/span><b>connection with the ecosystem<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> innovation. The third pillar is the <\/span><b>taking action<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Finally, the fourth pillar is to <\/span><b>developing technological fundamentals<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Links with potential external partners are both structured and opportunistic. It is important to <\/span><b>developing a culture of openness<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> outwards to seize opportunities. The major contractors have scientific councils and scientific partnerships, particularly with start-ups. One of the difficulties is to <\/span><b>adapting to the cycle<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, It is important to capture short-cycle technologies and breakthroughs, and then incorporate them rapidly. We need to capture short-cycle technologies and breakthroughs, and then incorporate them rapidly. It is therefore necessary to put in place <\/span><b>agile methods<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and further develop innovation through use, while ensuring that projects are viable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Fran\u00e7ois Chopard<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> begins by explaining the objectives and operation of a start-up incubator\/accelerator. Starburst is an incubator entirely dedicated to start-ups in the aeronautics, defence and space sector. It is a global player, with offices in Paris, Munich, Montreal, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Singapore. The role of an incubator is to <\/span><b>help start-ups emerge<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and help them grow in terms of strategy and financing. Starburst acts between the seed phase and the phase of demonstrating market potential.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Fran\u00e7ois Chopard recalls the model of start-ups and the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">venture capital<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> (venture capital). The main principles should be followed. Firstly, milestones should be set to ensure that the objectives have been achieved and that the project can continue. Next, you need to <\/span><b>accept a failure rate<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Of the 10 projects, 7 will probably be stopped. We also need to <\/span><b>accept competition <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">and include competing projects in the 10 projects. Finally, we need to find funding.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">To encourage start-ups to invest in defence, the question of funding is a major one. The US and France have very different defence budgets. The <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Small Business Innovation Research <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(SBIR) from the DOD allocates 3% of the money given to large groups to SMEs. We are also witnessing a paradigm shift as <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">venture capitalists<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The Americans no longer have confidence in the Pentagon to develop the weapons of the future and are investing in this field with the prospect of seeing space and defence giants emerge over the next 20 years.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Emmanuel Sabonnadi\u00e8re<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> explains how to develop synergy between civilian and military innovation, using the example of the LETI. CEA-LETI was created by General de Gaulle to monitor and anticipate developments in microelectronics. LETI has no commercial focus, which means it is always at the cutting edge of technology. LETI has been working with the defence sector for a long time and acts as a link between academic partners, industry and the DGA.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Several defence innovations have had civilian applications, particularly in the field of sensors. France is at the forefront of certain technologies, such as infra-red, but we don't necessarily create start-ups for fear that knowledge will be diluted and captured. At LETI, 2,000 researchers provide the foundation for technology transfer and links have been forged with many companies, including the GAFAMs.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Civilian innovations can also serve military needs. For example, the nano 2022 plan is a civilian plan that will enable the launch of \u00abon-board artificial intelligence\u00bb. Electronics already account for 12% of a vehicle's added value, and will account for 37% by 2027-2030. In Europe, we have what it takes to make the technological difference with the rest of the world.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speech by Pierre Delsaux\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Pierre Delsaux<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> reminds us of the need to meet the challenges of a <\/span><b>building Defence Europe<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. It highlights the inefficiency in the allocation of budgetary resources due to this \u00abnon-Europe of defence\u00bb and underlines the <\/span><b>the need for cooperation at European level<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, particularly in R&amp;D activities. To encourage this cooperation, the European Commission has introduced two policy instruments which are currently being tested. The first of these, <\/span><b>preparatory action for research<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> (the test phase of which ends at the end of the year) is used to fund cooperation projects (at least 3 European countries must be represented) in the field of defence research. The second instrument, the <\/span><b>development fund<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, The European Defence Agency (EDA), for its part, has been allocated a budget of 500 million euros for two years, enabling the development of joint projects between several European Union member states in the field of defence. The aim of these two components is to create a leverage effect on the development and emergence of European projects in order to enable and strengthen cooperation between EU Member States.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<h2><strong>ROUND TABLE 2: HOW TO MAKE EFFECTIVE USE OF INNOVATION IN THE DEFENCE SYSTEM\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\n<h6 style=\"text-align: justify\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The second round table, on the theme of \u00abHow to make effective use of innovation in the defence system\u00bb, was chaired by Val\u00e9rie M\u00e9rindol, professor at Paris Business School, with the participation of General Philippe Hirtzig (Armed Forces General Staff), IGA Fran\u00e7ois Pintart (Directorate General of Armaments), Eric Papin (Naval Group) and Dominique Levent (Renault Group).\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/h6>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Val\u00e9rie M\u00e9rindol<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> introduced the round table by outlining the three major challenges facing major defence companies if they are to remain leaders in their field. These three challenges are interlinked and need to be considered in a systemic way. Firstly, the way in which projects are managed has changed considerably. Today, we have to think of innovation in terms of <\/span><b>interaction with users<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and work with talented and complementary players, sometimes moving away from the notion of a sector. Secondly, we need to be able to\u2019<\/span><b>harnessing innovation<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. We need to invent new <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">business models<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and be astute in the way we exploit innovations. Thirdly, there is the challenge of transforming businesses. In particular, we need to change the way <\/span><b>involve employees<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, This sometimes requires a major organisational transformation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In defence, two major players will have to renew and evolve to work together and meet these challenges. Firstly, the State, via the Ministry of the Armed Forces, as customer, funder and regulator. Secondly, the major manufacturers, who remain fundamental players in the architecture of major technological programmes, for which it is essential to maintain innovation over a long and very long period of time. <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">top down<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> while rapidly integrating more short-term-oriented innovations into a more long-term approach. <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">bottom up<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">For <\/span><b>the general<\/b> <b>Philippe Hirtzig<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, Innovation is the means to respond to the triptych peace-crisis-war. Firstly, there is the peacetime challenge, which is a challenge of\u2019<\/span><b>social attractiveness<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and we need to help the military to see themselves as part of an innovative and prosperous organisation, with no significant differences from the civilian sector in particular. The second issue, in times of crisis, is that of the\u2019<\/span><b>effectiveness of support<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and logistics in particular. This is the key to victory, and we need to develop technologies to regenerate the potential of our equipment. The third challenge, in wartime, is the <\/span><b>opponent domination<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. The latter innovates and has easier access to certain technologies.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In addition, innovation must be resilient in terms of <\/span><b>success in combat<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Technology must also be adapted to doctrine, organisation, processes and know-how to ensure operational dominance. Innovation must not be reduced to technology, and the human factor is essential if we are to gain a moral and technical advantage over our adversaries. Last but not least, <\/span><b>soldiers innovate in the field<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and they must be integrated into the innovation process. We need to encourage <\/span><b>field experiments<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and develop a <\/span><b>a culture of innovation<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, This sometimes means accepting failure.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Fran\u00e7ois Pintart IGA<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> recalls the French acquisition model: <\/span><b>spending at the right price<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> the equipment needed by the armed forces from the public purse, against a backdrop of constraints on the resources allocated to defence. This has produced convincing results, including a <\/span><b>extremely rigid innovation model<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> with a strong aversion to risk and failure. The latest ministerial instruction on armament operations (FTI) should help to overcome this aversion to risk and reduce the time taken to draw up contracts.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">To achieve this, we need to be as far upstream as possible, <\/span><b>bringing players together<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to put in place acquisition strategies and contractual approaches appropriate to the purpose, and to avoid applying a single innovation management model, while maintaining an appropriate delivery timetable. Secondly, the relationship between the State and industry needs to be as balanced as possible: a shared perception of the risks to be taken between the State and industry, so that there are balanced penalties for failure to innovate. This is already reflected in concrete terms in the following projects <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Man Machine Teaming<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to introduce artificial intelligence into the piloting of combat aircraft, and the inclusion of incremental innovation in the equipment for the Scorpion programme.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>\u00c9ric Papin<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> explains that, for Naval Group, innovation means <\/span><b>transforming new ideas<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, Some of these are at a fairly low level of maturity, but we are able to turn them into performances that meet our customers' needs. Visit <\/span><b>operational superiority in combat<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> is the primary objective. Today, demand is no longer fixed in time, but evolves very quickly, and contractual models that are too rigid make it difficult to achieve the objective. We also innovate to improve the <\/span><b>industrial competitiveness<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0These include lower costs, fewer production details and higher quality.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Innovation within the Group is currently focused on a number of areas. Firstly, naval systems are going to operate collectively, so we need to imagine a modular naval force with <\/span><b>open system architectures<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Secondly, the naval force, which has the advantage of detection, has the capacity to <\/span><b>decide faster than others<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Thirdly, you need to master your <\/span><b>energy consumption<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and its <\/span><b>maintenance cycles<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. To be operational, you need an intelligent vessel, with a <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">data centre<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> which has the capacity to interconnect systems, while offering good living conditions for sailors. The industrial integrator must therefore adapt to this new situation by transforming its way of doing things, in particular through the\u2019<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">open innovation<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, to seize all the opportunities offered by innovation ecosystems.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Dominique Levent<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> explains how the Renault group trains its staff in innovation. Historically, the group has gone through a very long period of rigid innovation processes in an attempt to produce impeccable products. In doing so, we divided the business lines and lost collective solidarity with regard to the projects as a whole. <\/span><b>Restoring creative capacities<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> of the Group and in particular that of its employees is a prerequisite.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There can be no innovation without new knowledge to integrate, which requires <\/span><b>understanding the issues<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, sometimes by challenging existing mentalities. This is a structuring challenge at Renault. From <\/span><b>\u00e0 la carte training<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> are given, depending on the difficulties an employee wants to tackle. We then connect people with the right experts, for example using a <\/span><b>skills marketplace<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, The aim is to make it easier for people to get in touch with each other. For high-stakes projects, coaching project managers is necessary, but so is a cultural change within the group.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We used to have a very sequential process for research, but this now leads to obstacles that are difficult to overcome. This means restoring short loops, involving all stakeholders in an idea, and not hesitating to abandon or redirect projects.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><strong>CLOSING ADDRESS: FLOENCE PARLY MINISTER FOR THE ARMED FORCES<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/ecodef-ihedn.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/2019_sga023_r_9.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-7326\" src=\"https:\/\/ecodef-ihedn.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/2019_sga023_r_9-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Florence Parly<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> recalls the\u2019<\/span><b>accelerating innovation cycles<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and the speed of their emergence over the last decade. The unpredictability that characterises today's strategic environment means that we need to be aware of the risks involved.\u2019<\/span><b>adapting to new threats<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> as already stated in the 2017 Strategic Review. From this point of view, <\/span><b>innovation is vital and necessary<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> in maintaining the operational superiority of the French Armed Forces and underlines the changing role of the State and the persistence of its commitment. This commitment is achieved through a national policy of innovation in <\/span><b>making the most of the civil-military duality<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Thinking about defence innovation and encouraging its emergence requires an \u00abinnovation ecosystem\u00bb in which academics, industry, SMEs, civilians and the military come together. 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